Category Archives: Self-Directed 401(k)
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Another Blow to Checkbook Control IRA Owned Entities
In the latest United States Tax Court case involving an IRA owned entity managed by the IRA owners, the taxpayers have once again lost. In 2001 taxpayers Lawrence F. Peek and Darrell G. Fleck established traditional IRAs. Each IRA then purchased 50% of a newly formed corporation, FP Company, Inc. (FP Company) for $309,000. Mr. Peek and Mr. Fleck were appointed as corporate officers and directors of FP Company. FP Company then acquired the assets of Abbot Fire & Safety, Inc. (“AFS”) for $1,100,000, which included a $200,000 promissory note from FP Company to the sellers of AFS, with personal guaranties by Mr. Peek and Mr. Fleck. The $200,000 note to the sellers was secured by deeds of trust on Mr. Peek’s and Mr. Fleck’s personal residences. In 2003 and 2004, Mr. Peek and Mr. Fleck both converted their IRAs to Roth IRAs, paying the taxes on the fair market value of the shares at that time. In 2006 the Roth IRAs sold FP Company to Xpect First Aid Co., eventually receiving $1,668,192 for their stock.
The Tax Court ruled that 1) each of the personal guaranties of the FP Company loan is an indirect extension of credit to the IRAs, which is a prohibited transaction under Internal Revenue Code (“IRC”) §4975(c)(1)(B); 2) because the prohibited transaction terminated the IRAs under IRC §408(e), the gains realized on the sale of FP Company are included in the taxpayers’ personal income, and 3) the taxpayers are liable for the accuracy-related penalties under IRC §6662.
The IRS argued that Mr. Peek’s and Mr. Fleck’s personal guaranties of the $200,000 promissory note from FP Company to the sellers of AFS in 2001 were prohibited transactions under IRS §4975(c)(1)(B), which prohibits any direct or indirect lending of money or other extension of credit between a plan (including an IRA) and a disqualified person. Mr. Peek and Mr. Fleck were disqualified persons as to their IRAs as fiduciaries. Mr. Peek and Mr. Fleck countered that the guaranties were not prohibited transactions because they did not involve their IRAs directly – the personal guaranties were for debts of FP Company, not their IRAs. The Tax Court ruled, however, that to read the statute as Mr. Peek and Mr. Fleck would have liked “would rob it of its intended breadth.” The Supreme Court has observed that “when Congress used the phrase ‘any direct or indirect’ in section 4975(c)(1), it thereby employed ‘broad language’ and showed an obvious intention to ‘prohibit something more’ than would be reached without it.” As the IRS Commissioner pointed out, if the statute prohibited only a loan or loan guaranty between a disqualified person and the IRA itself, then the prohibition could be easily and abusively avoided simply by having the IRA create a shell subsidiary to which the disqualified person could then make a loan.
As far as the tax consequences of the prohibited transactions in this case, the Tax Court ruled that 1) the accounts that held the FP Company stock were not IRAs in 2006 when the stock was sold, 2) the accounts ceased to be IRAs in 2001 and therefore were not exempt from income tax, and 3) the tax consequence of their non-exemption was that Mr. Peek and Mr. Fleck were liable for tax on the capital gains realized in 2006 and 2007 from the sale of the FP Company stock. Because the guaranties remained in place and constituted a continuing prohibited transaction, the accounts that held the FP Company stock could not be IRAs in subsequent years, including the subsequently established Roth IRAs.
The Tax Court also ruled that Mr. Peek and Mr. Fleck were liable for a 20% accuracy related penalty because their tax underpayments were “substantial understatements” of income tax under §6662(b). Mr. Peek and Mr. Fleck relied upon a CPA, Mr. Christian Blees, to set up a strategy which Mr. Blees identified as the “IACC” plan. The IACC plan called for the participant to establish a self-directed IRA, transfer funds from an existing IRA or 401(k) plan into the self-directed IRA, set up a new corporation, sell shares in the new corporation to the self-directed IRA, and finally to use the funds from the sale of shares to purchase a business. In addition to describing the plan, the IACC documents included a discussion of prohibited transactions which would be detrimental to the IACC plan’s tax objectives, including a warning that all actions must be taken by the participant as an agent for the corporation and not by the participant personally. Given that Mr. Peek and Mr. Fleck had been given advice about the hazards of prohibited transactions and their personal involvement with the FP Company transactions, the Tax Court held that they were negligent and liable for the 20% accuracy-related penalty. Mr. Peek and Mr. Fleck were unable to convince the court that they acted with reasonable cause and in good faith because of their reliance on advice provided by Mr. Blees, the CPA, because Mr. Blees was a promoter and not a disinterested professional. A “promoter” is “an advisor who participated in structuring the transaction or is otherwise related to, has an interest in, or profits from the transaction.” Additionally, there is no indication that Mr. Peek and Mr. Fleck ever asked for advice from Mr. Blees about whether or not the personal guaranties would be prohibited transactions.
This case shows the danger of checkbook control IRA owned entities. Some people use this setup in an attempt to get around the prohibited transaction rules, which clearly does not work. In fact, arguably it could increase the likelihood of a prohibited transaction occurring within your IRA. Remember that the phrase “direct or indirect” is meant to be very broad, and simply interposing an entity in between your IRA and the transaction will not provide any insulation against the prohibited transaction rules. Relying on a promoter for advice as opposed to a disinterested professional will not help you avoid penalties, either.
Self-directed IRAs are indeed a very powerful tool for building your retirement wealth, but if you violate the prohibited transaction rules your IRA will be deemed distributed to you as of January 1 of the year in which the prohibited transaction occurs. As I always have said, use the law, but do not abuse the law.
Can I deduct my IRAs loss on my personal taxes?
Your question was:
“I had $104,000. that I rolled in to an account with an IRA custodian – it was invested in a “bad” company called “****” my account shows the money as a loss on statement. As well I purchased two out of state properties that appear on my IRA account- both were sold … but no one ever paid for them- can any of this be written off in taxes, even though it is a “traditional IRA ”
The answer:
You can only deduct losses in a traditional IRA to the extent that you close all of your traditional IRAs and the total received as a distribution is less than the total undistributed after-tax contributions. For example, if you contributed $5,000 in non-deductible contributions and then built it up to $100,000, then you lost it all in a bad investment, all you could deduct when all of your traditional IRAs were closed would be the $5,000 after-tax basis in your account. Your deduction would be reported as a miscellaneous deduction subject to the 2% of adjusted gross income floor, which means that all of your miscellaneous deductions together must exceed 2% of your adjusted gross income before any of it becomes deductible on your Schedule A. This may limit further your ability to deduct your losses.
If all of the money in the IRA was pre-tax money (in other words, you deducted the contributions when you made them or were not taxed on the money contributed from an employer, assuming the money came from a former employer plan that was rolled into the traditional IRA), then you would be able to deduct none of your losses at all. The reason for this is that none of the money in the account was ever taxed in the first place, so therefore you cannot deduct the losses, since to do so would represent a double deduction, once when contributed and again when the money was lost. The following explanation is found on page 42 of IRS Publication 590, which you can download from www.irs.gov:
Recognizing Losses on Traditional Reporting and Withholding
IRA Investments Requirements for Taxable Amounts
If you have a loss on your traditional IRA investment, you can recognize (include) the loss on your income tax return, but only when all the amounts in all your traditional IRA accounts have been distributed to you and the total distributions are less than your unrecovered basis, if any. Your basis is the total amount of the nondeductible contributions in your traditional IRAs. You claim the loss as a miscellaneous itemized deduction, subject to the 2%-of-adjusted-gross-income limit that applies to certain miscellaneous itemized deductions on Schedule A (Form 1040). Any such losses are added back to taxable income for purposes of calculating the alternative minimum tax.
Example. Bill King has made nondeductible contributions to a traditional IRA totaling $2,000, giving him a basis at the end of 2010 of $2,000. By the end of 2011, his IRA earns $400 in interest income. In that year, Bill receives a distribution of $600 ($500 basis + $100 interest), reducing the value of his IRA to $1,800 ($2,000 + $400 – $600) at year’s end. Bill figures the taxable part of the distribution and his remaining basis on Form 8606 (illustrated).
In 2012, Bill’s IRA has a loss of $500. At the end of that year, Bill’s IRA balance is $1,300 ($1,800 – $500). Bill’s remaining basis in his IRA is $1,500 ($2,000 – $500). Bill receives the $1,300 balance remaining in the IRA. He can claim a loss for 2012 of $200 (the $1,500 basis minus the $1,300 distribution of the IRA balance).
The rules for deducting losses in a Roth IRA are similar, except all money contributed to a Roth IRA is, by definition, after-tax money, so the deduction for a Roth IRA loss would be equal to the undistributed contributions to the account, subject to the 2% of adjusted gross income floor as discussed above.
If this seems a bit complicated, unfortunately it is. It is best to get the advice of a competent CPA to help you with this so that it is done right considering your personal tax situation. I am unable to give you tax or legal advice, but hopefully I was able to point you in the right direction.
I’m sorry for your loss and I wish you the best of luck in your future investments.
H. Quincy Long – President
The Big Guns are coming to Austin: Phill Grove, Dyches Boddiford, and H. Quincy Long!
As many of you already know, Quest IRA throws the biggest and best networking events this side of the Mississippi. We are now bringing our events to Austin Texas! This is an amazing opportunity for anyone looking for FREE Real Estate Investment and Self-Directed IRA Education. As well as a great opportunity to network with likeminded investors. For this first major event in Austin we are holding nothing back. We are bringing the BIG GUNS: Phill Grove, Dyches Boddiford, H. Quincy Long!
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Since 2003, he has negotiated over 1,200 real estate deals involving approximately $200,000,000 in real estate. Since 2008, he has sold over $10,000,000 worth of products online.
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Dyches Boddiford
Even though he has added additional courses over the years and is a national speaker, Dyches has remained a full-time real estate investor. That is his main business and feels that only by being active in real estate investing can he bring real world experience to his classes and materials.
Dyches has written books and teaches seminars on Financial Freedom, Asset Protection, The Corporate Fortress, The Nevada Corporation, Limited Liability Companies & Partnerships, Real Estate Investment Using Self-Directed IRAs, Advanced Strategies, Business Tax Strategies, Estate Planning with Asset Protection, Guerrilla Bankruptcy Tactics for Creditors, The Mobile Home Money Machine, Deals in Dirt, Discount Notes & Mortgages, Private Money Lending as well as other topics.
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Tune in 2/19 and 3/5 to watch H. Quincy Long on The Balancing Act
Can an Inherited IRA be converted to a Self-Directed IRA?
Question: I have an inherited IRA that I received this year and would like to convert into a self directed Roth IRA. I have not taken any distributions at this point. Is this doable? Thanks in advance.
Answer: Thank you for your inquiry. You can indeed change an inherited IRA into a self-directed IRA with which you can invest in real estate, notes, options, oil and gas, private company stock, and a whole lot more. What you cannot do is convert an inherited traditional IRA into an inherited Roth IRA. The only way you could convert the IRA is if you inherited it from a spouse and you elect to treat it as your own, then convert it to a Roth IRA. Also, please remember that you cannot add to an inherited IRA, so you will need to take that into account when deciding on your investment strategy.
You must also take Required Minimum Distributions (RMDs) from the account regardless of your age, but fortunately there is no penalty for taking the distributions, only taxes if it is a pre-tax account such as a traditional IRA. If you fail to take an RMD you will be penalized 50% of what you should have taken from the account. I only mention this because you mentioned that you have not taken any distributions from the account yet. You generally must begin taking distributions in the year following the date of death of the original account owner. In some cases you may elect to take no distributions until the 5th year after the date of death, at which point all of the money in the IRA must be removed.
Please let me know if we can assist you with a self-directed IRA. Our company website is www.QuestIRA.com, and our toll free number is 800-320-5950. Have a wonderful holiday season, and a happy, healthy, and prosperous 2013!
Can I use my IRA to pay the mortgage on a investment property I own?
Question: I have an investment property, but I owe 100% on it. Can I use that self directed IRA to pay the mortgage? and then keep the property and the income in the IRA?
Answer: Unfortunately, the answer to your question is no, your IRA cannot be used to assist you in paying your mortgage on this property. Other than a rollover from one IRA to another, only cash may be contributed to your IRA. Additionally, it is a prohibited transaction to have a sale, lease or exchange of property between an IRA and a disqualified person (and you are a disqualified person as to your IRA) (See Internal Revenue Code, or IRC, Section 4975(c)(1)(A)). So you cannot convey the property to your IRA. Another prohibited transaction is that there can be no extension of credit between an IRA and a disqualified person (IRC Section 4975(c)(1)(B)), nor can there be a transfer to, or use by or for the benefit of, a disqualified person of the income or assets of an IRA. (IRC Section 4975(c)(1)(D).
The bottom line is that you may not use your IRA, either directly or indirectly, to benefit yourself right now, unless you simply take a distribution from the IRA and possibly pay taxes and penalties, depending on the type of account and your age.
I am sorry I wasn’t able to give you better news, but if you do need the services of a self-directed IRA Administrator or Custodian please do not hesitate to contact us.
The Balancing Act
I traveled to Pompano Beach, FL last week to record a financial segment for “The Balancing Act”, a Lifetime Television show. A lot of hard work went into this and it went off without a hitch! It was such an honor for me to be on their show, the topic was my personal favorite (and area of expertise), Self-Directed IRAs. I finally got to wear my awesome suit that I have been tweeting about but I wasn’t ready for my lesson on wearing make up and eating spicy food- ha ha!!
See below for the pics And click HERE for the Press Release!
The recording will air on February 19th- Make sure you record your DVRs to watch me appear on National Television!!